Rachel Held Evans Interview – Part 2

Part 1 of my interview with Rachel Held Evans, author of Evolving in Monkey Town was posted yesterday.

Today the interview continues and you have a chance to win a copy of her book. Leave a comment before Monday and you could win!

Yesterday, I listed a number of the topics Rachel writes about in the book. Today I asked her questions about a few of those topics. I would love to discuss the whole book here, but the interview would be way too long — plus you’d have no reason to read the book. If you’d like to hear Rachel’s thoughts on the other topics, enter to win a copy below or pick up a copy of Evolving in Monkey Town here.

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Janet: Zarmina’s story touched me, as did your realization of a crack, then multiple cracks in the biblical worldview wall. What’s your opinion on a biblical worldview now – is there such a thing? Can a worldview be summed up in one or two words?

Rachel: I think “biblical” can be an unhelpful word when it is used prescriptively rather than simply descriptively. For example, technically speaking it is “biblical” for women to be considered property and for men to have multiple wives. That’s just what the culture was like when the Bible was written. But few people would argue that submitting to a husband’s desire for multiple wives constitutes “biblical womanhood” today.  The same goes for cosmology and creation and all kinds of other topics in which the Bible’s ancient cultural context plays a role. In that sense, a “biblical worldview” includes a flat earth with a solid firmament in which the stars are fixed, the acceptance of slavery, and the assumption that people think and feel with their stomachs!

So I find it problematic when modern Westerners advocate the acceptance of a “biblical worldview,” as I think it’s impossible for us to share the minds of ancient near eastern people.  What I think they mean is that as Christians we should have a view of life and the world that is impacted by the many timeless principles found in Scripture, and particularly in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. I agree, but considering the fact that we all interpret the Bible a little differently and we all have different opinions about which of these principles are indeed timeless, I think the phrase “biblical worldview” sounds a bit too singular, too presumptuous. I think instead we should celebrate the fact that there are as many views of the world as there are people, and that even within the Christian community it’s possible to see things a little differently. While the Bible certainly informs my view of the world, I do not claim to have a monopoly on its many truths.

Janet: You write about your frustration with the practice of calling everything a “God thing” from good weather for a picnic to cars, jobs, etc. I agree with you. Recently a nasty storm in my hometown blew over a lot of trees – some people had their houses/barns hit, some didn’t. The ones that didn’t said or posted updates like “So thankful for God’s protection.” “It was a God thing – he was really watching out for us.” I was sad for the people who had damage – guess God was too busy protecting the others or something. Have you found a creative way to respond to the “God thing” conversations?

Rachel: That’s such a great example of why “God things” can be a frustrating turn of phrase! If God’s goodness is determined by how much stuff he gives out, then he’s not particularly good—at least not to the widows and orphans I met in India, who suffered from extreme poverty and disease.  Yet the fact that these widows and orphans seemed to have such a beautiful relationship with God makes me wonder if material “blessings” are really blessings after all. Maybe Jesus was purposefully turning the concept of blessing on its head when he said “blessed are the poor,” and “woe to you who are rich.” Maybe new cars and spared homes aren’t really “God things,” but rather neutral events at best and temptations at worst.

I understand why people use the phrase and I don’t try to “correct” them when they do. (I believe they are sincerely wishing to show gratefulness and appreciation to God for those things that are indeed out of their control.) But in my own life, I try to look at both the good things and bad things that come my way as opportunities for me to do evil or good. I believe something becomes a “God thing” when we use it to advance love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. And that’s our choice, not God’s.

Janet: Was there a particular chapter in Monkey Town that was really fun and/or easy to write? Why? What about one that was difficult to write? Why?

Rachel: I really enjoyed writing those short, in-between chapters about some of the interesting people I’ve met in my life—from June the Ten Commandments Lady, to Laxmi the Widow, to Sam the Feminist. It was nice to take a break from myself and my own story for a while! The hardest…(though perhaps most cathartic)…chapters to write were chapters 7-11 because they touch on some of the troublesome theological issues that triggered my doubts. I cried a lot and ate a lot during those months of writing. (Animal crackers and red wine are my writing vices.)

Janet: Now that your ‘baby’ is out and traveling around the world, is there something you wish you could change and/or add to it?

Rachel: Oh yes! Every time I pick up the book I find a sentence I would rewrite! But I would keep the content exactly the same, even though my perspective has “evolved” in some ways since I finished the book. I really want my story to serve as a companion to young people who are asking similar questions about their faith, and I think they will relate more to my voice of two years ago than my voice of today.

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This concludes the interview. If you want more of Rachel, she’s on Facebook and Twitter or visit her blog. She writes regularly there addressing issues from politics to seeking peace to vacations.

Order Evolving in Monkey Town: How a Girl Who Knew All the Answers Learned to Ask the Questions here.

Everyone that leaves a comment here will have a chance to win a copy of Evolving in Monkey Town. So say hi, ask a question or start a discussion in the comments below about something in the interview or something that you wish would have been in the interview. (Leave contact info (email, twitter) so I can contact you if you win)

Disclosure – I received a free copy of Evolving to review. That in no way influenced my review, I would like the book whether or not I paid for it.

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  • Jacinda

    Geat interview! Sounds like it would be an interesting book to read.

  • http://www.hillsideslide.blogspot.com Tina C

    I love to hear Rachel succinctly and eloquently speak about doubt, “God Things,” worldviews….

    She has a way of shining the light back on our relationships with others & our ever-present opportunity to make choices.

    And, love how familiar she is with the history of our faith. Context is important. When we understand not just the whats, but the whys, we can apply them in new and creative ways to our life in the now.

    Good reading! Thanks.

    Also, I have the book, so leave me out of the drawing.

  • http://www.janetober.com/2010/08/11/rachel-held-evans-interview-part-1/ Rachel Held Evans Interview – Part 1 | Janet Oberholtzer

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  • http://pastormarthaswords.blogspot.com/ Martha

    The book sounds interesting.

  • http://foolishsage.com Foolish Sage

    Thanks for the book, Rachel. I look forward to reading it.

  • Kristi Stasko Russell

    Thank you Rachel, for not being afraid to voice the questions we have all entertained…I look forward to reading your book!!

  • http://www.jeremiahswords.com Jeremiah

    I have long held to the fact that a Christian can NOT claim God blessed them while looking in the eyes of someone who has lost significantly. I had a friend who was trying to convince me that God saved His people during the SE Asian tsunami in 2004. I struggled with this fact as I had heard so many stories of believers losing all their property, memories and some their mental stability.
    I agree with Rachel that an event like that is either neutral or a temptation. It might have woken some struggling believers up but it also significantly hurt some of the faithful. I can not say it actually was a blessing to the region as a whole.

  • http://rachelheldevans.com Rachel H. Evans

    Kristi – You will appreciate the chapter on the Best Christian Attitude Award! :-) (Kristi and I went to elementary school together.)

  • http://jamesbradfordpate.blogspot.com James Pate

    I’m leaving this comment so I can have a chance to win a free book, but I liked the part of the interview about widows and orphans in India having a good relationship with God, even though they’re poor. It’s amazing that some people are not bitter against God!

  • http://www.LifeWalk.info David Foreman

    Rachel and I have many of the same books.
    So, well…
    obviously I question her sanity.

  • lisa

    I’d love a copy to share with everyone I’ve been telling about the book.

  • Diana Cann

    Wow, this sounds like it would be a great discussion book. I might be switching to the new leader of our book club or it might dissolve. I would love to win a book also.

  • Gail Pyle

    Diana, I’m thinking book club, too. (dare I say..call it a book club rather than a Beth Moore Bible Study). Want to win that book, too…(as the oldest living hipster)

  • Kim

    I think Rachel is amazing. I look forward to reading her book – whether I get a free copy or order it from Amazon.

  • http://www.deerfieldelca.org Pastor Larry Sexe

    I saw Evolving In Monkey Town among the new books listed at the Madison public library and ordered it because of the title and then couldn’t put it down. Rachel Held Evans is a gifted writer with a fascinating story to tell. I am recommending Evolving In Monkey Town to all my liberal friends who often imply nothing good can emerge or “evolve” from Christian fundamentalism.

  • http://rachelheldevans.com Rachel H. Evans

    Hey, book club people! We recently added a printable discussion guide to the Web site. Learn more here: http://rachelheldevans.com/book-study

  • http://www.warrenbaldwin.blogspot.com/ Warren Baldwin

    Janet,
    Thanks for doing the interview. What most attracts me to the book and makes me want to read it is how the author struggled with dillusionment with the traditional church but didn’t abandon Christ. Many people do not make the distinction b/n the two.

    wb

  • http://www.warrenbaldwin.blogspot.com/ Warren Baldwin

    Another thought … I published a book on Proverbs. Would you be interested in receiving a complimentary copy and considering it for (but not obligating yourself to) a review? Here is a brief description of it: http://warrenbaldwinbiblefountain.blogspot.com/search/label/Roaring%20Lions

    Thanks,
    WB

  • http://hannahborcherdt.wordpress.com Hannah Ruthie

    Hey! I’m just stopping by from (in)courage. Your story is so great! I am amazed at the way God has brought you through and used you in more ways than you could have ever asked or imagined. Great to “meet” you, Janet.

  • http://rawfaithrealworld.wordpress.com/ Linda B.

    I appreciated the whole “it’s a God thing” too. So many people I know tend to overspiritualize almost everything. I also here a lot of minimizing of people’s real pain, suffering or sickness either as lack of faith, sin in their lives or being caused by a demon. Also attributing our sin or even our doubts to the influence of a demon. I think I can get in a whole lot of trouble on my own. :) I’m pretty sure also that a lot of what they are considering sin / lack of faith, might just be having enough faith to wrestle with the issues and allow God to reveal Himself to us in the process.

  • http://janetober.com janeto

    Thanks everyone for your comments, encouragement and additional thoughts, the contest remains open until Monday – I’ll let you know who won then.
    Rachel, thanks for stopping by and telling us about the book discussion guide.

  • Rachel

    I really want to read this book :)

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  • http://janetober.com janeto

    Hi Warren,
    Thanks to Random.org, you are the winner of this book!

    Email me your mailing address and the book will be on its way to you.

  • http://janetober.com janeto

    Warren,
    I will take a copy of the book, but I’m sure when/if I would do a review of it … I have a few other books on my review list.

    Janet

  • http://www.warrenbaldwin.blogspot.com/ Warren Baldwin

    Thank you Janet and Rachel! I’m excited to receive and read this book. Rachel has a great blog so I know her book will be as well.

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